RBI’s Goldilocks scenario doesn’t work for Indian economy, says Andrew Holland
KV Prasad Jun 13, 2022, 06:35 AM IST (Published)
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Andrew Holland, CEO, Avendus Capital Alternate Strategies, explains his views on earnings season, oil price, GST and NPAs.
“Reserve Bank of India’s (RBI) goldilocks scenario for the Indian economy of strong growth, no inflation just doesn’t work well with me,” says Andrew Holland, CEO of Avendus Capital Alternate Strategies.
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Anuj: What is your sense now? There has been so much volatility, February and March we saw big downtick and April has been such a good month for the bulls. Do you reckon that this is the market where the risk reward is in favour of buying or would you want to stay out for now?
It has been a good start to the earning seasons globally. Lot of worries that we had few weeks back in terms of global trade disappeared. US President Trump is keeping his volume down on some of the bigger issues. So that has helped markets rally including ours from the lows that we saw in March. But there is still a few things that worry me going forward.
Now, we have got elections next month, which will obviously make the markets volatile but the two-year treasury yield and the 10-year treasury yield in the US – the differential is only 50 basis points (bps) and whenever we say in inverted yields, it usually means that we are heading for a difficult times.
Secondly, Reserve Bank of India’s (RBI) goldilocks scenario for the Indian economy of strong growth, no inflation just doesn’t work well with me. I think the risk to their targets and inflation is on the high side rather than I expect them to get to those kind of figures.
Latha: What would be the strategy in non-banking financial companies (NBFCs)? Is that a long NBFC, short public sector undertaking (PSU) banks or is it long private banks and short NBFCs, how do you play this finance space?
We like private banks, we like selective NBFCs because it will continue to take market share from the PSU banks and there is no doubt in my mind that that will happen. So we will continue with that kind of strategy. Electrosteel moving towards Vedanta give some optimism that the banking sector is getting through NPAs.
I still think we are a quarter or away but sentiment wise probably we will keep this sector reasonably buoyant but that said, there are a lot of problems out there. So it is a bit like owning the power sector. You don’t know what is going to hit you next.
Sonia: After the rally that we have seen in the last eight days, at least what we have done is corrected our underperformance compared to other emerging markets. So it is absolutely flat now for the year but what are the returns that you are expecting from the Indian markets over the next 12 months?
It is going to be more volatile year that is for sure. Last year wasn’t easy. If you look from April to March, it wasn’t the kind of euphoric year that I suppose we all felt that it was. I think earnings growth issue will be around 15 percent and I think market should move up in line with those increases and earnings. So we are more optimistic on the earnings growth for this year and GDP of 7-7.5 percent but certainly not the goldilocks scenario, which the RBI gave us.
Latha: You alluded to the elections. That is about four weeks away at least in the election results from Karnataka. Hypothetically, if it is not a Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) win, will it really harm the markets much?
Shouldn’t do. I think everyone is not expecting the BJP to do as far as the extent of how they don’t do. It is how many seats they lose. But I think now we will say whether expectations will go towards whether we need to think about early elections or not and I suspect, we will think about not.
Anuj: Your thoughts on IT right now, are you buying anything here?
We have actually been a little bit of both, the largecaps and midcaps. We think the worst is over. If you take Infosys, the dividend yield is around 6 percent. So that gives you a lot of cushion for the share price and obviously we will have to wait and see what the new CEO is going to tell the analysts next week in terms of his strategy.
However, I think the rupee will depreciate. I am not comfortable with the fiscal deficit and not comfortable with inflation in India. Therefore, I think the rupee will head towards 67 per dollar level very quickly and that would probably be very favourable for IT as well.
Sonia: The space that everyone wants to be in these days is consumption. You have liked some of these stocks in the past, this rural focus consumption theme, does it still excite you?
We were kind of early on the kind of domestic FMCG plays and we continue to like them. Their ratings are a bit scary at times, but if I look over it after two to three year period, I am okay with it. We have added discretionary stocks as well into that mix. We think that is a longer term play and is not going away from us. They will have their days in the sun as well which we have just been seeing over the past few weeks.
I think the one area which is going to get a little bit more interesting is metals. Now that the trade war is not there or hopefully is not there, the metal prices will continue to rise. I think oil prices will also rise. So, if we can see oil price nearer to $80 per barrel, this is why I am a little bit more negative on the rupee in the very short term.
Latha: You are quite negative on macros. If I read every one of your answers, you do not believe in the goldilocks scenario that the RBI has painted. You believe rupee is at 67 per dollar, you believe crude will go to $80 per barrel, you are troubled by the macros. Can this rock the boat generally?
In terms of the oil prices, obviously that was a great tailwind for India, from 2014 to up until last year and that obviously has to become a headwind now. I am still not overly convinced that the GST collections are on an upward trajectory. So that means the borrowing programs will have to continue. Whilst we are delaying it for a little while, it is still going to come back. I would have thought the second half, the government will spend money. So, bond yields are probably likely to head higher too. So these are kind of macro factors which worry me. On the earnings side, I think earnings will be very good.
Latha: There is any pocket of value in the corporate, I think you referred to the fact that Electrosteel sale gives a hope for banking sector. Corporate banks in the private sector, you like them?
A: No. We are sticking mainly to the private banks and retail banks for the moment.
Sonia: What about some of these beaten down names that have come back into action in the auto space, some of the laggards like Tata Motors, etc. are now starting to show a revival. Is it good time to put some money there?
We will probably just stick to the winners. There might be some value and you will get maybe a pop of 4-5 percent, but fundamentally I want to be with the ones which are going to be taking market share and I do not think Tata is going to do that.
Latha: What about the ancillaries, they are taking share even globally?
We are looking at more and more largecaps and are not looking at those sectors or parts of that sector.
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