Has Gen AI impacted hiring at TCS? CHRO Milind Lakkad weighs in
KV Prasad Jun 13, 2022, 06:35 AM IST (Published)
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The TCS Chief Human Resources Officer also discussed a potential timeline for net hiring numbers to turn positive after three consecutive quarters of decline.
In an interview with CNBC-TV18, Samir Seksaria, the Chief Financial Officer of TCS, and Milind Lakkad, the Chief Human Resources Officer at TCS, discussed the reasons behind the moderation in headcount for the third consecutive quarter and the sustainability of margin growth.
Lakkad also shared insights into the potential changes in hiring patterns due to the increasing adoption of generative artificial intelligence.
Below is the verbatim transcript of the interview.
Q: Is margin growth sustainable?
Seksaria: We are very pleased with it, we are touching our guiding beacon and that’s something which we have always believed in. So that’s 100 basis points sequential improvement. And if you look at it, that’s in spite of a 90 basis points headwind coming in from higher third party expenses, and increased travel expenses, which was offset by 190 basis points coming in from bottoming out of subcontractor costs and productivity and utilisation gains.
Q: So subcontractor costs has bottomed out?
Seksaria: We believe so, it’s at 4.6%. That’s 150 basis points lower than the previous quarter. I think now, it would still depend on the macro how it plays out, but we believe it has bottomed out.
Q: What’s the outlook on margins going ahead? Does it stay at 26% other than the wage hike quarter, say next time exit margins for FY25, can it be better?
Seksaria: So let us be happy with what we have been able to deliver in FY24. And exiting Q4 at 26% is really special. We are happy with it. If you look at the past three quarters, you’re almost delivered 100 basis points sequentially, plus minus, but 100 basis points coming in each of the quarters. We will continue our focus on disciplined execution.
Q: N Ganapathy Subramaniam (NGS) was telling us earlier that FY25 is going to be much better than FY24. So there is a bit of an operating leverage or whatever you want to call it, so margins perhaps could be better if growth picks up
Seksaria: Growth is a big lever on margins and if growth picks up, and is better, it will accelerate the margin journey.
Q: Headcount is down for the third consecutive quarter. So do you think it’s going to continue to moderate from here on?
Lakkad: Samir talked about productivity, and utilisation, all of that stuff is all coming together and plus our investment made in the past all of that coming together is what this result is going to be. Last quarter, you asked me and I said yeah, I will not be surprised if it is negative and it is this turned out to be lesser negative number. So we expect to drive the same kind of efficiency going forward. Growth will come, we will hire more.
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Q: So to drive this efficiency is it possible the next quarter again, headcount decline? Would you be surprised?
Lakkad: Let me put it this way, it is a function of our efficiency, what we hire, how many we hire, and eventually what the business growth is going to be all of this together, whatever that outcome will be, will be.
Q: No, my point was now with AI, etc., as well, can you give us a broad sense how many people that you potentially would have hired, you did not because of these new technologies, I mean, if you can give us some sense of that?
Lakkad: It is too early to say that, currently we are in a proof of concepts (POCs) mode, we are doing hundreds of POCs, actually 300 plus POCs, we are doing right now across, with our customers. All of that and eventually come coupled with all the other enterprise related challenges, all of this will take some time to basically come to that point. So we will play and we will obviously, keep you posted as we go along.
Q: But you don’t think it’s already happening?
Lakkad: It is not to the point of enterprise level changes at this point in time, customers are still testing out, customers are still figuring it out basically, how it is going to be all worked out, how eventually the accountability of the software generated by AI how it is going to be managed.
Q: On demand right now so far you are able to manage the current demand with a lower headcount, which is what’s driving your utilisation productivity, etc. When do you think the company will start hiring to meet demand which you can’t meet demand?
Lakkad: We are already hiring, we have hired a whole bunch of numbers, big numbers we are hiring. Yes, there are people who are leaving. The point is yes net headcount is dropping. Eventually, as the business start showing more positive signs, we are anyway going to ramp up like we always do.
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